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One of the ways I've used to control my interactions is creating stub communities via rooms in friendfeed. This has given me an area to share info and opinions in a much more welcoming environment but it doesn't solve the larger issue.
Thanks for the post and I'm subscribing to your RSS feed to keep up. BTW, what is your twitter if you don't mind me asking?
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conservative cabal" you and I hung out on for quite a while - as you know,
it prevented me from cancelling my account one weekend, as I mentioned a
couple weeks ago..
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From watching your posts, I knew it was only a matter of time until you made this decision. I would think that you would know better than to talk politics in this environment. I've never seen it this heated before. Best bet for politicos- raise the bar, fight on substance not events. You should know by now that most social network sights are left leaning (and there's nothing wrong with this.) Just don't be surprised if the "numbers" aren't in your favor.
It hurts me to say this but, conservatives have lost this election already. We (yes, I just outed myself) stood by while our leaders did anything, said anything to get elected. We have strong winning principles of self discipline, innovation and believe that small government is the best government. We lose when we try to legislate morality. We fail when we allow Washington to forget that free markets will weed out inefficiency and illegal behaviors. We get our hats handed to us when we forget to remind people that personal integrity matters most.
It is hard for me to see some of the posts and comments on social sites that only seek to divide. I truly love my country and am proud to be a citizen of these United States of America. To have disagreements regarding politics is our way. Speak your mind but mind your speech. I opt out of playing politics at this time. I'm focused on the mission of humanity.
Above all, I will remain a firm believer because I know what's right for me. To quote Charles Krauthammer, "I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings." Many will disagree with my political way but I hope this is the time to find the common ground. We will think and move our way out of any difficult situations- we always have. It will take many viewpoints and perspectives to fix the economic mess we face but please understand that I am counting on people, not politicians, to figure out the solutions.
Peace to you Mark. I hope to see you around the FriendFeed neighborhood real soon because it just won't be the same without you.
(Michael Sean Wright)
When politics are talked about online for too long with the same group of people, it always seems to end up like this, and the minority opinion seems to be finally ran out of town on a rail.
This isn't the first time I've stormed out in a huff from a community when groupthink takes over. I tend to not look back. We'll see if I do the same this time around. I honestly don't know at this point.
Hey Mark,
I'm curious where you got this information - I've been looking around for it, but haven't turned over the right stone.
Thanks,
Justin
I haven't read up on this within the last couple months, so a lot of the facts are rusty in my memory. The reason I stopped originally, quite honestly, was that it lead down a trail to white supremacists websites, something I really had no interest in. Now that the story apparently is being given some validation by mainstream sources and not simply a white power conspiracy theory, I felt it might be worth a second look, hence the link.
This was the video I originally watched on it that got me looking around a
couple months ago or so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
I agree, it was definitely worth a look. Here's what I found:
First things first - I came to this with an open mind and no expectations.
I read the factcheck.org article on it. The article seems pretty complete
to me - and really the only question that can be put to it is whether or not
they were handed a falsified, or outright false, document.
I looked at the video too - and although it makes claims of being made by an
independent (Molotov Mitchel), and the principal interviewee (Philip J.
Berg, Esq.) says he's a Democrat (claims that attempt to lend some form of
objectivity to the piece), I have to take a video with a grain of salt when
it was made by a production company called "Illuminati Pictures" and begins
with the claim by Jill Stanek (Who is only identified as a "Star
Congressional Witness") that Obama supported "infanticide."
I'd love to see that law.
"On the ballot for today: Infanticide. All opposed? MmmHmm, Looks like
99. All in favor? ... I see - let the record show that Barack Obama voted
in favor of infanticide."
As to the claims about the birth certificate, Philip J. Berg makes claim
that the document is a fake, but he doesn't really offer any evidence for
his claim.
I think politifact.com (quoted in the factcheck article) makes a good point
about this debate with Occam's razor, "It is possible that Obama conspired
his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast
network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's
possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the
contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over."
Also, as you said, the claim is hurt even more by the fact that it is so
ardently supported by white supremicist websites and organizations. All in
all, I have to assume that this claim, along with the many claims like this
in the past (This same accusation has been placed at the feet of McCain,
Dick Cheney, and Barry Goldwater), is subterfuge to distract voters from the
very real problems that we as a nation are facing.
Thanks for the post,
Justin Flowers
That said, I've steered clear from political exchanges (as much as possible), since I already felt the judging and negativity during the primaries. Time and time again, it was a no win situation. When I questioned a policy, plan, or quote from O, I was automatically a racist or feminist. If I questioned Hillary, I was an anti-feminist... and here I thought I was just asking questions -- like I would with any candidate.
For what it's worth, the one political exchange we had was enough for me to clearly see your position. To me, your shares != your stance. It was quite opposite, actually, since I needed and appreciated your shares. You were the only one I am subd to who brought in topics that asked a lot of tough questions, forced me to research, and kicked up my critical thinking skills. So thank you, for enlightening me.
I'm really glad I got to know you via FriendFeed and let me know when (or if) you DO decide to sign up for another SN service. You already know I love love LOVE your tech shares so you better believe I will be the first to follow you. Until then, I'm looking forward to and relying on you to keep sharing what you've shared on FriendFeed via Google Reader!
m. :)
It's unfortunate that your FriendFeed experience has become so stressful. I hope you'll be back when the election is over and these political discussions die down.
For what it's worth, I'm not an Obama fanatic either (I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries). However, I believe that these conspiracy theories are harmful and distract from legitimate concerns and issues. The reason that I mentioned McCain's place of birth is because I've seen people elsewhere on the web making analogous arguments about his not being a natural born citizen, and I find those arguments equally absurd. Both Obama and McCain have enough actual defects that we should not spend any time arguing about the details of their birth. I certainly did not intend for any of my comments to be personally insulting, and I apologize for the misunderstanding if they felt like they were.
Hope you come back sooner rather than later. You know what, after that discussion, I'm going to quit discussing politics on FF. Let's stick to what we are good at - technology! Come back, and lets get fiercely and unreasonably rigid about Macs vs PCs instead - and lolCats.
1. Columbia College records
2. Columbia Thesis paper
3. Harvard College records
4. Illinois State Senate records
5. Illinois State Senate schedule
6. Law practice client list and billing records/summary
7. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
8. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
9. Occidental College records
10. Parent's Marriage Certificate
11. Record of baptism
12. Selective Service Registration
13. Trips schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
14. Scholarly articles
15. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
If he was Palin they would be all over these points. 3 days on her clothing allowance.
This really is one of the most awesome socnets out there if you make of it what you want. You've made your point, people have taken notice and I have no doubt that all the politics talk will simmer down after these elections are over.
With regard to your comment - I think you were a lil naive to think that any mention of either Obama or Mccain in whatever context wasn't going to drum up controversy...but hell, that's just my opinion.
All I'm really saying is hold out, don't delete your account (which can do here if you have to https://friendfeed.com/account/delete) and hold out until after the elections. Even spend a bit more customizing your feed and see how things go...
Anyway - those are my thoughts - either way stay in touch. I've just added you to my twitter facebook.com/wedocreative.com .
There's a difference between controversy and streams of pejorative. There's been far to many instances of the latter for me to really function and maintain a presence on the system.
I understand that when you talk about certain delicate subjects like racism, sexuality and religion, that there are always going to be griefers and there will always be people that no matter what you say, there will be folks who call you bad names because they think you crossed a line.
When you talk about the candidates in a presidential race, though, just mentioning the name of one candidate shouldn't brand you a racist or an imbecile, particularly when there are mountains of evidence to the contrary.
I look forward to telling them all "see, told you so" after a few years should the Big O actually fool enough people into electing him
That said, if you really want to quit FF and remove all your data this is the link: http://friendfeed.com/account/delete
I hope you don't use it.
Although I often didn't agree with your opinion on FriendFeed, I never had a problem with you stating it. And I valued it too -- it helped me understand different sides of the issues being discussed.
So, yeah I'll be sad to see you go when all we have in FF is vanilla pudding with a few nuts (nutjobs?) thrown in. Hopefully you will reconsider. Until that time, I'm definitely subscribed here and I'll be looking forward to your articles.
From my own experience, it does get frustrating to have parts of your interests talked about in a certain way all the time because other people don't have filters. If I share a story about the Pope or the Catholic Church, for example, I'm guaranteed to get comments about how the Catholic Church done someone wrong a thousand years ago or something equally unproductive. I'd like to talk to people, who have gotten over that facile approach to the topic, about the news item, but that never happens. I can see how you've gotten so frustrated with FriendFeed, as you're very much in the minority and the same people keep trying to push their agenda every time one of your topical interests gets shared.
And I agree with your assessment on a lot of issues: "what I heard a few years ago" seems to trump "here's a reliable source contradicting what you think" almost always. People don't approach topics on FriendFeed with any sort of intellectual curiosity that maybe, somehow, what they believe could possibly be factually incorrect.
Also, I have to say that 4chan is VERY DIFFERENT from FriendFeed! Trust me, I know. :-)
to commenting stuff you had at least a passing knowledge of.
Cool ..great going.
Nicely put. For me it's about finding enough time in the day to service the wide ranging social media sites i frequent. I've lurked here a time or two but only started commenting seriously when I signed up with Discus. It's nice to see a platform that seems to work without prejudice.
As for Friendfeed, hadn't tried that one yet, but will give it a try soon. keep up the commentary :)
keep it up
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